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فرنسي مصطلح أو جملة:	la Sainte Cène
أنجليزي ترجمة:	Holy Communion

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20:20 Oct 3, 2005

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فرنسي مصطلح أو جملة: la Sainte Cène

This is from a letter describing a woman estranged from her children because she left the Eglise (it is written with a capital E throughout) and her husband. I thought this might be a reference to the communion wafer, but I see references to "le temple", in which case the Eglise is Protestant (I thought such rites weren't practiced outside of Catholicism).

Je sais qu’un jour toute la vérité se fera, mais en attendant il y a une mère et des enfants qui souffrent. Marie a le sentiment qu’un but est poursuivi, celui de la détruire, en détruisant l’amour de ses enfants pour elle et sa réputation. Ses choix différents font-ils d’elle une mauvaise mère? [speaking of the ex-husband] Peut ont prendre **la Sainte Cène**, aller au temple et nourrir des sentiments aussi négatifs envers son prochain?

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Carmen Schultz: 06:12 Oct 4, 2005: I think it needs to be pointed out that in certain Romance languages Catholics may indeed call church as equivalent to temple(e.g., Spanish el Templo).I have heard some Catholic Francophones (Cameroon, etc,) referring to it as "le temple" -
Carmen Schultz: 06:28 Oct 4, 2005: (cont'd) Thus, it cannot be ascertained by the word "le temple" that it is Protestant exclusively. -
Josephine79: 06:47 Oct 4, 2005: Carmen: I'd say the combination of "temple" and "Sainte Cène" make it pretty clear that this is a Protestant context. I have never heard a Catholic (and my in-laws are all Catholic) say this. -
Josephine79: 06:50 Oct 4, 2005: Kelvin: Just a thought, there is something called "la Petite Eglise" which is a pretty strict sect - could this be it? -
Carmen Schultz: 07:12 Oct 4, 2005: I think it would depend on the country you and your family came from. Are you from a Francophone country other than France (Africa? Polynesia, a French-speaking island in the Caribbean?,etc.) -
Carmen Schultz: 07:15 Oct 4, 2005: Anyway, whether it is Protestant or Catholic shouldn't change the meaning of La Sainte Cène, since this term derives from the Last Supper and is a metaphor for Communion (or Holy Communion) -
Jane Lamb-Ruiz: 12:43 Oct 4, 2005: Kelvin...Just to belabor a point: when you say such rites are you referring to Communion? All traditional Protestant denominations have a Communion ritual..Just thought you might like to know that...and Communion with Holy would be translation. -

Holy Communion

شرح:
Holy Communion is certainly used in the Anglican church, and other protestant denominations would be likely to say Communion (without the "Holy").

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Rachel Ward
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Thank you all for your notes. I was I bit uncertain as to whether Protestants had practices equivalent to those found in Catholicism as what I know about organized religion is limited. The agency hasn't told me which sect/denomination this is.
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Holy Communion

Rachel Ward

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Communion

xxxCMJ_Trans

Holy Eucharist

Jane Lamb-Ruiz

the last supper (as a metaphor for communion-SEE)

Carmen Schultz

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موافقة الزملاء الصافي: +7

Holy Communion

شرح:
Holy Communion is certainly used in the Anglican church, and other protestant denominations would be likely to say Communion (without the "Holy").

Rachel Ward
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Local time: 05:02
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اللغة الأصلية هي: أنجليزي
نقاط مستوى المحترفين في الفئة: 4

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Clare Macnamara

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Janet Ratziu

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xxxsarahl: definitely. She's calling it the last supper for some reason.

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Georges Tocco: but starnge use

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Jane Lamb-Ruiz: yes

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Carmen Schultz

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Flo Demolis: La Sainte Cène is the usual term in (evangelical) Protestant churches in France, and yes, "temple" and Sainte Cène together suggest a Protestant context. Definitely not "Eucharist".

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موافقة الزملاء الصافي: +3

Communion

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Protestant Communion

Protestant conceptions of the eucharist differ in one very important way from the Catholic conception of the sacrament: Catholics believe that through the words and actions of the priests transubstantiation occurs, and that the bread and wine that the priests hold become, in reality, the body and blood of Christ. At the time of the Protestant Reformation, these notions about the nature of the eucharist began to be contested. Most Protestant traditions call the ritual communion, rather than the Eucharist. There are major differences between the Protestant practice of communion and the Eucharist. Most Protestant traditions about communion do not rely on the power of a priest to transform the bread into the body of Christ. There are fewer rules governing the preparation and administration of communion. However it in no way makes this practice any less important to Protestant faiths.

It is necessary to understand that Protestantism is a general term encompassing many denominations and the practice of communion varies within these denominations. Some engage in the act of communion every Sunday, while others take part in it monthly, quarterly, or less. There are also differences in ideas about the nature of the consecrated bread and wine.

A common thread in Protestant conceptions of communion is that it does not require a priestly blessing to become significant. While an ordained clergy member is the ideal administrator, his or her words do not hold more power than the words of a layman. Rather, in their belief in the sacrament, Protestants bring forth their faith in Jesus and in God and the forgiveness of sins. It is more of a symbolic act commemorating the Last Supper, the Passion and its promised redemption.

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Jane -all my family were pillars of the Protestant Church and I can honestly tell you that they would go bananas if they saw the word \"sects\" in relation to their church (also hard-core Methodist). The concession I will make is that I speak for the UK and in the US things are probably different, as usual

xxxCMJ_Trans
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Holy Eucharist

شرح:
the fact this woman says Temple instead of église ou aller à la messe identifies her as a Protestant..but I don't know which sect...

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Note added at 45 mins (2005-10-03 21:05:59 GMT)
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Holy Eucharist
Holy Communion
The Last Supper...are all the same...

but, usually people say to take Holy Communion as pointed out already

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NOte: and have been around all ilk of Protestants throughout my life. My mother was Methodist...they don't even drink wine they drink grape juice for your information. Anyway, perhaps CMJ, I would tread carefully in "learning" me about what Protestant means.

cheers

Jane Lamb-Ruiz
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اللغة الأصلية هي: أنجليزي, برتغالي
نقاط مستوى المحترفين في الفئة: 12

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the last supper (as a metaphor for communion-SEE)

شرح:
Dictionnaire de L'Académie française, 8th Edition (1932-5)
CÈNE. (Page 1:208)
CÈNE. n. f. Repas pascal chez les Juifs et, principalement, celui que JÉSUS-CHRIST fit avec ses Apôtres la veille de sa mort. Célébrer la Cène.
En parlant du Pape, des prélats, etc., Faire la Cène le jeudi saint, faire la sainte Cène, Servir les pauvres après leur avoir lavé les pieds, en mémoire de la Cène de Notre- Seigneur.

Il signifie aussi Communion que font les protestants sous les deux espèces. Faire la cène.

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It could also refer to the WASHING OF THE FEET and doing acts of charity for the poor(as a ritual still practiced in some Christina religions during Holy Week to commemorate Christ washing of other persons' feet).
La Sainte Cène is a term also used by people from the the Jewish faith to refer to a Passover Dinner.

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In the context as it appears in the text, it is communion as I said in parentheses that it stands for communion as a metaphor for the last supper--whether or not it is Protestant, is not too clear as Catholics do refer to church as temple in other Romance languages (el templo, le temple, etc.)

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temple:
in context | images

temple:
temple nm tabernacle
temple nm synagogue
temple nm house of God
temple nm house of prayer
temple nm house of worship
temple nm meeting house
temple nm meeting-house

Carmen Schultz
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اللغة الأصلية هي: إسباني, أنجليزي

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فرنسي: la Sainte Cène

أنجليزي translation: Holy Communion