Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Spanish term or phrase:
sindicato charrificado
English translation:
corrupt government-controlled union / yellow union
Added to glossary by
Charles Davis
Apr 4, 2016 06:11
8 yrs ago
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Spanish term
Philippines
sindicato charrificado
Spanish to English
Social Sciences
Human Resources
Hi,
Could you help me translate the phrase "Sindicato Charrificado"? I encountered words such as Charrazo but I could not exactly find the right definition for this.
Thanks.
Regards,
TM
Could you help me translate the phrase "Sindicato Charrificado"? I encountered words such as Charrazo but I could not exactly find the right definition for this.
Thanks.
Regards,
TM
Proposed translations
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| 4 +5 | corrupt government-controlled union |
Charles Davis
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| 4 +1 | company union / yellow union |
Robert Carter
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References
| charrificado |
Estela Quintero-Weldon
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Proposed translations
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corrupt government-controlled union
This must be a variant of the Mexican expression "sindicato charro":
"In Mexican politics and labor, a charro or líder charro ("charro leader") is a government-appointed union boss."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charro_(Mexican_politics)
"Charro – corrupt, violent, union bureaucrats in collusion with government"
http://www.ueinternational.org/Mexico_info/Mexicanterms.php
https://books.google.es/books?id=WKs-UoFtbTYC&pg=PA276&lpg=P...
It can also imply "employer-controlled" or "employer-oriented":
"Que es un sindicato charro?
Es un sindicato, que en lugar de defender a los trabajadores, simula que lo hace, pero en realidad sirve a otros intereses, tales como al gobierno ó a las empresas."
https://es.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=200806191929...
"Charrificado" may perhaps imply a union that has been taken over by people sympathetic to the interests of the government or the employer.
"In Mexican politics and labor, a charro or líder charro ("charro leader") is a government-appointed union boss."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charro_(Mexican_politics)
"Charro – corrupt, violent, union bureaucrats in collusion with government"
http://www.ueinternational.org/Mexico_info/Mexicanterms.php
https://books.google.es/books?id=WKs-UoFtbTYC&pg=PA276&lpg=P...
It can also imply "employer-controlled" or "employer-oriented":
"Que es un sindicato charro?
Es un sindicato, que en lugar de defender a los trabajadores, simula que lo hace, pero en realidad sirve a otros intereses, tales como al gobierno ó a las empresas."
https://es.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=200806191929...
"Charrificado" may perhaps imply a union that has been taken over by people sympathetic to the interests of the government or the employer.
Peer comment(s):
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Robert Forstag
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Thanks, Robert
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lugoben
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Thanks, lugoben
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philgoddard
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Thanks, Phil
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Estela Quintero-Weldon
: Totalmente de acuerdo.
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Muchas gracias, Estela. ¡Saludos!
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ltayler
: Expresa correctamente el concepto. Quizá con un contexto más específico "yellow union" podría ser adecuado. Pero... dado que existe "sindicato amarillo" en español, el no haberlo usado sugiere una distinción.
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¡Gracias! Sí, me parece que "yellow union" podría servir, dependiendo del contexto.
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9 hrs
Robert Carter
Mexico
Mexico
Native in English
Works in field
Mexico
Translating full-time since 1998
Native in: English (Variant: British) 
Works in: Spanish to English
Related KudoZ points
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74
company union / yellow union
Charles is absolutely right about what "charrificado" refers to, but there are a long-standing terms for these kinds of unions, since employers and governments have been doing this sort of thing since unions first began.
Apparently they are also known as business unions or house unions, or in Marxist terms "capitalist unions".
In Mexico, almost all the trade unions have been "charrificado" for decades, and every once in while, without the slightest hint of irony, they jail one or other irksome charro leader on "corruption" charges, la "Maestra" being the most recent and notorios one, who incidentally was released after less than a year, I think, on health grounds.
Company union is a trade union which is located within and run by a company or by the national government, and is not affiliated with an independent trade union. Membership of a company union is confined to the employees of a single company or the employees of a company and its subsidiaries. Such a union is frequently organized or inspired by management and usually dominated by the employer. A company union is also known as a business union or a yellow union.
http://definitions.uslegal.com/c/company-union/
https://books.google.com.mx/books?id=0jMlI-dpAkMC&pg=PA182&l...
Often bogus and generally illegal 'union' which is organized, financed, and dominated by an employer to hamper employees from organizing a real union. Also called house union.
http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/company-union.h...
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If you know that "charrificado" it's referring only to unions with state employees, then you can perhaps use "state-sponsored unions".
Some employers set up company unions in an attempt to deter seafarers from joining legitimate trade unions. In some countries governments will establish their own unions for similar reasons. These are sometimes known as ‘yellow unions’. Joining a yellow union, whether it is a company or state-sponsored union, offers very little genuine protection to workers.
http://www.itfseafarers.org/ITI-trade-unions.cfm
Apparently they are also known as business unions or house unions, or in Marxist terms "capitalist unions".
In Mexico, almost all the trade unions have been "charrificado" for decades, and every once in while, without the slightest hint of irony, they jail one or other irksome charro leader on "corruption" charges, la "Maestra" being the most recent and notorios one, who incidentally was released after less than a year, I think, on health grounds.
Company union is a trade union which is located within and run by a company or by the national government, and is not affiliated with an independent trade union. Membership of a company union is confined to the employees of a single company or the employees of a company and its subsidiaries. Such a union is frequently organized or inspired by management and usually dominated by the employer. A company union is also known as a business union or a yellow union.
http://definitions.uslegal.com/c/company-union/
https://books.google.com.mx/books?id=0jMlI-dpAkMC&pg=PA182&l...
Often bogus and generally illegal 'union' which is organized, financed, and dominated by an employer to hamper employees from organizing a real union. Also called house union.
http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/company-union.h...
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Note added at 12 hrs (2016-04-04 18:18:25 GMT)
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If you know that "charrificado" it's referring only to unions with state employees, then you can perhaps use "state-sponsored unions".
Some employers set up company unions in an attempt to deter seafarers from joining legitimate trade unions. In some countries governments will establish their own unions for similar reasons. These are sometimes known as ‘yellow unions’. Joining a yellow union, whether it is a company or state-sponsored union, offers very little genuine protection to workers.
http://www.itfseafarers.org/ITI-trade-unions.cfm
Peer comment(s):
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philgoddard
: This is useful, but I'm not sure it justifies a separate answer. And I don't think people would understand terms like "company/business/yellow union".
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Thanks, Phil, but I'm not sure that's a good enough reason not to use it. It's possible other Spanish readers might not understand "charrificado" either without digging a bit deeper.
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Charles Davis
: Hi, Robert. My understanding is that these "sindicatos blancos" (al servicio del patrón) are distinct from "charros" (al servicio del gobierno); see eg http://silencioseviaja.com/2015/05/03/los-sindicatos-en-mexi... // But "yellow" is an option, I think.
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That's a good reference. I actually hadn't heard of "sindicatos blancos" before today. There is a tendency to refer to any corrupt union or its members as "charros", meaning they're in the service of the employer/government.//Thanks, Charles.
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Reference comments
11 hrs
Estela Quintero-Weldon
Canada
Canada
Native in Spanish
Specializes in field
Canada
English/Spanish Translation/Localization
Native in: Spanish
Works in: Spanish to English, English to Spanish
Related KudoZ points
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12
Reference:
charrificado
… charrismo, que en términos específicos define la intervención gubernamental en las acciones más importantes de las dirigencias sindicales.
… “charro”, “charrismo” y “charrazos” forman parte de la jerga -del lenguaje- de la vida cotidiana de los sindicatos. El rasgo político esencial del charrismo es la conjunción del corporativismo y el autoritarismo gubernamental.
http://www.alainet.org/es/active/24582
http://www.alainet.org/es/active/24582
… “charro”, “charrismo” y “charrazos” forman parte de la jerga -del lenguaje- de la vida cotidiana de los sindicatos. El rasgo político esencial del charrismo es la conjunción del corporativismo y el autoritarismo gubernamental.
http://www.alainet.org/es/active/24582
http://www.alainet.org/es/active/24582
Discussion
Can't agree with your comment about the British trade unions not really being corrupt - it's widely known that Joe Gormley and other trade union leaders secretly worked for Special Branch during the seventies and eighties. Even out here, charrismo has had a few union leaders that have overplayed their hands with the PRI and were subsequently reined in ("La Quina" and "La Maestra"), so support by these unions is always subject to strengths and weaknesses in the ruling apparatus.