Jan 7, 2023 15:05
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Japanese term
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歓喜の歌
Japanese to English
Art/Literary
Cinema, Film, TV, Drama
Dear ProZ members,
could you help me to understand why 歓喜の歌 has been used in the following sentence?
In a cartoon, the English word "glee" is mentioned, and a character tries to recall its meaning. He finally remembers and says:
歓喜の歌！Gleeだ！大喜び！大はしゃぎ！の
As far as I know, 歓喜の歌 ("song of joy") is not one of the meanings of "glee", so why is he saying it here? Though glee is a type of song, "joy" doesn't seem to be involved in that case.
I see that 歓喜の歌 is the Japanese translation for Beethoven's Ode to Joy.
It is also used to render "Zarathustras Rundgesang" in Nietzsche's book "Thus Spoke Zarathustra", which seems to be translated in English as "Zarathustra's Glee".
I don't know if some of this plays a role in our case, but I feel these links are a bit too vague to explain my sentence.
Do you have any ideas?
Thank you so much!
could you help me to understand why 歓喜の歌 has been used in the following sentence?
In a cartoon, the English word "glee" is mentioned, and a character tries to recall its meaning. He finally remembers and says:
歓喜の歌！Gleeだ！大喜び！大はしゃぎ！の
As far as I know, 歓喜の歌 ("song of joy") is not one of the meanings of "glee", so why is he saying it here? Though glee is a type of song, "joy" doesn't seem to be involved in that case.
I see that 歓喜の歌 is the Japanese translation for Beethoven's Ode to Joy.
It is also used to render "Zarathustras Rundgesang" in Nietzsche's book "Thus Spoke Zarathustra", which seems to be translated in English as "Zarathustra's Glee".
I don't know if some of this plays a role in our case, but I feel these links are a bit too vague to explain my sentence.
Do you have any ideas?
Thank you so much!
Proposed translations
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| 4 +1 | Ode to Joy/Song of Joy |
ZT-Translations
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| 3 | Glee |
Michael Hughes
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Proposed translations
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19 mins
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Brazil
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Trilingual translator and proofreader
Native in: Portuguese (Variant: Brazilian) 
Works in: English to Portuguese, Portuguese to English, Japanese to Portuguese, and 3 more.
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Ode to Joy/Song of Joy
It's important to remember that English words aren't necessarily going to be borrowed with the original meaning and nuances intact. Based in the context though, it may not necessarily be that they are saying it's the exact same thing, but so much as that they are lining up words to convey joyfulness and excitement to the reader. 「大はしゃぎ」isn't about singing at all, and yet, it's there as well. I believe I have seen texts like this, and they always have served the purposes I mentioned above.
I hope this explanation helps!
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Note added at 25 mins (2023-01-07 15:31:31 GMT)
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With all of this in mind, I would consider translating「歓喜の歌！Gleeだ！大喜び！大はしゃぎ！の」 As "It's Ode to Joy! It's Glee! Joyfulness! Great excitement! And"
Depending on the actual context, it's also good possible to replace "Joyfulness" with either "Great happiness" os remove the "great" from excitement, as all of these depend on how much excitement needs to be conveyed, as well as to make the final translation more dynamic and natural for the target audience.
I hope this explanation helps!
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Note added at 25 mins (2023-01-07 15:31:31 GMT)
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With all of this in mind, I would consider translating「歓喜の歌！Gleeだ！大喜び！大はしゃぎ！の」 As "It's Ode to Joy! It's Glee! Joyfulness! Great excitement! And"
Depending on the actual context, it's also good possible to replace "Joyfulness" with either "Great happiness" os remove the "great" from excitement, as all of these depend on how much excitement needs to be conveyed, as well as to make the final translation more dynamic and natural for the target audience.
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42 mins
Michael Hughes
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
Specializes in field
United Kingdom
Japanese - English Translator with MBA
Native in: English 
Works in: Japanese to English, English, Japanese
Glee
Although 歓喜の歌 is the Japanese translation for Ode to Joy, 歓喜 can also be translated as glee. For example:
歓喜に満つ
to be full of glee - 斎藤和英大辞典
I would probably omit the reference to Ode to Joy in the translation, and just say something like:
Glee! That’s the word! Meaning "joy" or "exultation"!
You could then add (if you want to keep the reference in there):
Just like in Beethoven’s "Ode to Joy".
But I personally feel it’s better omitted.
歓喜に満つ
to be full of glee - 斎藤和英大辞典
I would probably omit the reference to Ode to Joy in the translation, and just say something like:
Glee! That’s the word! Meaning "joy" or "exultation"!
You could then add (if you want to keep the reference in there):
Just like in Beethoven’s "Ode to Joy".
But I personally feel it’s better omitted.
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