Glossary entry

English term or phrase:

counting off (musical groups, drummer)

English answer:

setting the beat / drum roll to signal start

Added to glossary by Jenni Lukac (X)
Sep 29, 2009 13:17
14 yrs ago
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English term

counting us off

English Other Music
Sometimes musicians will inadvertently reveal a sense of humor through their playing. One can sense that, when seated behind a drum set, Copeland’s famously dry wit is never too far away. Among his more clever pastimes is to take some of the staples of rock drumming – the basic backbeat, the descending tom fill, and so on – and play them all wrong. What else could be the motivation behind the inside-out grooving of “Reggatta De Blanc” (Ex. 6a), where Copeland plays a typical half-time feel no less than a full beat behind the rest of the band? I’m sure we all remember hearing “Reggatta De Blanc” for the first time and scratching our heads at this simple rhythmic illusion, not to mention the thoroughly disorienting rim-click fiasco that opens the track ***(even with Copeland counting us off).***

Could anybody please clarify for me what the phrase means here – I don’t really get it.
Responses
3 +3 set the beat / drum roll to signal start
4 +3 "one, two, three, four"
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Oct 5, 2009 08:35: Jenni Lukac (X) Created KOG entry

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set the beat / drum roll to signal start

My target term is rather clumsy, but I think what "counting off" refers to here is the drum roll that some groups use to set the beat so that all musicians start at the same moment. It is sometimes necessary when there is a lot of ambiente noise and it also serves to get the public "worked up".
Peer comment(s):

agree Yasutomo Kanazawa : Yes indeed. In your case, your explanation was very easy to understand, and I could picture the drummer counting one, two, three to set the beat.
22 mins
Thanks Yasutomo. I started to write 1, 2,3 but then opted for a term. You are right in agreeing to both. Jim has given a great example!
agree Lubosh Hanuska
8 hrs
Good evening and thanks webguru
agree Gary D : I agree with set the beat, as sometimes a conductor sets the beat with a wave of his baton, so that all musicians start together, then there is no counting sound.From the sound box in a recording studio, the sound mixer uses his fingers to count in a band
1 day 10 hrs
Good morning and thanks Gary
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thank you Jenni! Thanks everybody!!!"
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25 mins

"one, two, three, four"

Copeland would count off a lead-in, measure ( = bar) to set the tempo for a piece.
If you listen to the Beatles' "I saw her standing there", you can hear George doing it, as here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNsmrd-aR1c

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Note added at 26 mins (2009-09-29 13:43:44 GMT)
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(Sorry, that's Paul.)
Peer comment(s):

agree Yasutomo Kanazawa
4 mins
agree Lubosh Hanuska : just as good...
7 hrs
agree Vicky Nash : I would say "counting us in" is the more usual use of the phrase
23 hrs
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