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Doaa Alnajjar 
Canada
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Arabic to English
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TOPIC STARTER
Samuel Murray wrote: Doaa ALnajjar wrote:
How about things like" "it is defiantly not (my answer), it is (the answer of the gang boss)"? Although the answer is totally wrong, but as long as she is getting 2 or more "agree" from her gang, that makes her the right answer. Depending on how they do that, it may contravene KudoZ rules 3.4, 3.6 and 3.7. One tactic in your war would be to complain to a moderator about any rules being broken. You can find the rules here: http://www.proz.com/?sp=siterules&mode=show&category=kudoz_answ
If I report them every time they break these rules, Proz has to assign a private moderator to me. Thanks for letting me know this very important tactic, I am trying to memorize them by heart now
| | | | EvaVer (X)
Local time: 13:05
Czech to French
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| I have no idea of my ranking... | Oct 21, 2013 |
but over the 1 year of my membership, I certainly got quite a few interesting clients through ProZ, I think it is worth it.
Yes, such gangs do exist (mainly in pairs where the number of people is limited, but not very limited - as yours, and English to Czech among mine: this is difficult to do in pairs where the community is huge - such as French to English, and I have not encountered it in French to Czech, which is rarely discussed in KudoZ). I once gave "disagree" to complete nonsense an... See more but over the 1 year of my membership, I certainly got quite a few interesting clients through ProZ, I think it is worth it.
Yes, such gangs do exist (mainly in pairs where the number of people is limited, but not very limited - as yours, and English to Czech among mine: this is difficult to do in pairs where the community is huge - such as French to English, and I have not encountered it in French to Czech, which is rarely discussed in KudoZ). I once gave "disagree" to complete nonsense and was admonished that this was "not done" (because I had proposed an answer myself). Some people play KudoZ very fiercely, for the sake of competition. I don't think this is the purpose - for me, the purpose is to help others, while learning new things in the process. Even on questions where I have proposed an answer, if somebody else comes up with a better one later, I give them "agree".
The "better of faster" question - the trouble is, there are often many people who know the right answer, and you have to be fast to provide it first. ▲ Collapse
| | | | Samuel Murray
Netherlands
Local time: 13:05
Member (2006)
English to Afrikaans
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Doaa ALnajjar wrote: Samuel Murray wrote:
One tactic in your war would be to complain to a moderator about any rules being broken. If I report them every time they break these rules, Proz has to assign a private moderator to me.
Obviously one would use this tactic sparingly and intelligently, to get maximum effect without saturation.
| | | | TargamaT team
France
Local time: 13:05
Member (2010)
English to Arabic
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| So Funny LOL! | Oct 21, 2013 |
I am one of the gang leader in En > Ar.
Gang members, please contact me as soon as possible.
Thanking you in advance!
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Doaa Alnajjar
Canada
Local time: 05:05
Arabic to English
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TOPIC STARTER | My ne Guinness Record | Oct 21, 2013 |
EvaVer wrote:
I once gave "disagree" to complete nonsense and was admonished that this was "not done" (because I had proposed an answer myself). Some people play KudoZ very fiercely, for the sake of competition. I don't think this is the purpose - for me, the purpose is to help others, while learning new things in the process. Even on questions where I have proposed an answer, if somebody else comes up with a better one later, I give them "agree".
The "better of faster" question - the trouble is, there are often many people who know the right answer, and you have to be fast to provide it first.
A complete nonsense deserves a "disagree," but synonymous doesn't, specially if I am working in the field and they are not. I have a new Guinness Record of 3 disagrees in 20 days from the same gang for their boss complete nonsense, but I managed them very well I guess.
To be the faster AND better answer, you will need to throw all your fixed clients behind your back, and keep staring to the Kudoz page. Really? No way. How do they find time to do this?
| | | | Doaa Alnajjar
Canada
Local time: 05:05
Arabic to English
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TOPIC STARTER | No, you are not :) | Oct 21, 2013 |
TargamaT wrote:
I am one of the gang leader in En > Ar.
Gang members, please contact me as soon as possible.
Thanking you in advance!
No, you are NOT! You know exactly whom I am speaking about, do not play fool
I mean you have been there like years, you are that close to the first place (only 600 points or so away) and I have to admit you are playing in a fair, honest way. HOW DID YOU DO THIS? Any tactics? Any verses to read, something to eat...whatever?
Really, how did you managed the gangs out there up to the second place? As a member in my pairs directory, I defiantly appreciate your advice. Thanks in advance.
| | | | | points first, membership later | Oct 21, 2013 |
I took the opposite approach. In February I had one day without work and I thought it might be best to become a member. First, though, I decided I needed points to raise my profile. I have now reached my target of an established top 10 place (which I take to be 20 points ahead of tenth place) in both of my language pairs. However, I am dithering whether to become a member because a) apart from that one day in February I remain overwhelmed with work, and b) new agencies have started approaching m... See more I took the opposite approach. In February I had one day without work and I thought it might be best to become a member. First, though, I decided I needed points to raise my profile. I have now reached my target of an established top 10 place (which I take to be 20 points ahead of tenth place) in both of my language pairs. However, I am dithering whether to become a member because a) apart from that one day in February I remain overwhelmed with work, and b) new agencies have started approaching me anyway on the basis of my KudoZ ranking. I’ll probably join to test the waters but, having seen others give up their membership, I’m not too sure of the benefits.
As for “gangs”, I don’t think they exist in my pairings, but I did start to realize (the bleeding obvious) that some people think like me, others don’t, which is why certain patterns may develop – for example, I probably give certain individuals lots of “agrees”, which may appear to be blatant “partisanship” (for want of a better word), when actually we simply share similar thought processes. Then again, there are people I wouldn’t “disagree” with or “neutralize” because from experience I know they’ll turn rabid. Takes all sorts. It’s just like any community, I guess.
Oh, and one of the disadvantages of not being a member is that it takes yonks for my forum posts to be approved (so you’ll get this tomorrow and it’ll be out of date). Hence I rarely contribute to forums. ▲ Collapse
| | | | Tom in London
United Kingdom
Local time: 12:05
Member (2008)
Italian to English
| Sorry to hear that | Oct 21, 2013 |
Doaa ALnajjar wrote:
....THERE ARE semi-gangs in the Kudoz communities
Sorry to hear that. I have noticed a bit of it myself in my own language pair, but at a low level and not the seemingly very serious, intense, disruptive level described in the other posts here.
But (in my language pair) I am surprised by the increasing number of obviously easy questions, which any translator ought to be able to deal with, and which always seem to come from the same people.
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Samuel Murray
Netherlands
Local time: 13:05
Member (2006)
English to Afrikaans
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| Impressive... | Oct 21, 2013 |
TargamaT wrote:
So Funny LOL! I am one of the gang leader in En > Ar.
Well, you certainly have an impressive record:
June 2010 = 200 KudoZ points (total)
June 2011 = 2500 points
June 2012 = 4500 points
June 2013 = 7000 points
To have achieved this, in the past year you must have had an average of 2.4 questions per day receive the full 4 points each, or an average of 3.2 questions per day receive 3 points each.
I don't think a new member would have any chance of beating that, unless they implement some serious black-hat tactics. What do you think?
Doaa ALnajjar wrote: TargamaT wrote:
I am one of the gang leader in En > Ar. No, you are NOT! You know exactly whom I am speaking about, do not play fool (-: ... I have to admit you are playing in a fair, honest way. How did you do this? Any tactics? Any verses to read, ... whatever?
Hmm, will he reveal his secrets... (-:
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Please note: I'm not suggesting that TargamaT had cheated.
[Edited at 2013-10-21 12:18 GMT]
| | | | Tom in London
United Kingdom
Local time: 12:05
Member (2008)
Italian to English
Samuel Murray wrote: TargamaT wrote:
So Funny LOL! I am one of the gang leader in En > Ar. Well, you certainly have an impressive record: June 2010 = 200 KudoZ points (total) June 2011 = 2500 points June 2012 = 4500 points June 2013 = 7000 points To have achieved this, in the past year you must have had an average of 2.4 questions per day receive the full 4 points each, or an average of 3.2 questions per day receive 3 points each. I don't think a new member would have any chance of beating that, unless they implement some serious black-hat tactics. What do you think?
Wow - that is certainly very unusual.
[Edited at 2013-10-21 12:25 GMT]
| | | | DLyons
Ireland
Local time: 12:05
Spanish to English
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| Choose your questions | Oct 21, 2013 |
There are some general questions posted that any competent translator could answer. Avoid these, there will be many similar answers - yours is unlikely to be selected. The asker will get an adequate response from somebody (and probably could have answered the question themselves if they'd made a bit more effort).
Specialize in a small number of subject areas. Have questions emailed to you and when you need a few minutes break take a quick look at any that interest you and from whi... See more There are some general questions posted that any competent translator could answer. Avoid these, there will be many similar answers - yours is unlikely to be selected. The asker will get an adequate response from somebody (and probably could have answered the question themselves if they'd made a bit more effort).
Specialize in a small number of subject areas. Have questions emailed to you and when you need a few minutes break take a quick look at any that interest you and from which you might learn something yourself.
Develop a thicker skin ▲ Collapse
| | | | Tom in London
United Kingdom
Local time: 12:05
Member (2008)
Italian to English
In such situations a lot depends on the Moderators. I would expect the Moderators to keep an eye on things like this.
[Edited at 2013-10-21 12:25 GMT]
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Doaa Alnajjar
Canada
Local time: 05:05
Arabic to English
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TOPIC STARTER | This is one of their tactics | Oct 21, 2013 |
Tom in London wrote: Doaa ALnajjar wrote:
....THERE ARE semi-gangs in the Kudoz communities
But (in my language pair) I am surprised by the increasing number of obviously easy questions, which any translator ought to be able to deal with, and which always seem to come from the same people.
I have also seen this in my pairs. I think this has something to do with posting easy question trying to tempt fresh answerers (like me) to answer it and then either close the question without grading or giving you 2 points max. Another frustrating tactic of wasting our time for 2 point, or not points at all making your Kudoz record full of no-points answer, a tactic I learnt hard from my pairs gang
| | | | Tom in London
United Kingdom
Local time: 12:05
Member (2008)
Italian to English
| Voting non-Pro | Oct 21, 2013 |
Does it help to vote for the question to be re-classified as non-Pro?
| | | | Doaa Alnajjar
Canada
Local time: 05:05
Arabic to English
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TOPIC STARTER | Another vote for specialization | Oct 21, 2013 |
DLyons wrote: Specialize in a small number of subject areas. Have questions emailed to you and when you need a few minutes break take a quick look at any that interest you and from which you might learn something yourself. Develop a thicker skin
Another vote for specialization after TY, and a very (very very) rational advice. Thanks
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