Aug 10, 2023 11:54
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German term

Neuholz-Katzendecke

German to English Tech/Engineering Construction / Civil Engineering
I have a list of construction items for a new hotel. One of the line items is simply "Neuholz-Katzendecke" with regard to "Ceiling Claddings" - cannot find any reference on what "Katzendecke" refers to.

Sorry I don't have any additional context. It's just a list.
Change log

Sep 1, 2023 18:10: Steffen Walter changed "Field" from "Tech/Engineering" to "Art/Literary" , "Field (write-in)" from "Katzendecke" to "(none)"

Sep 1, 2023 18:10: Steffen Walter changed "Field" from "Art/Literary" to "Tech/Engineering"

Discussion

Alexandra Timms Aug 17, 2023:
A query would probably be the best option here I think there's too little context here to be sure unfortunately - as Johannes said, I would ask for a description as it's also possible that they mean "Kassettendecke".
Tomasso Aug 15, 2023:
Wall panels, but can put on ceiling. https://www.pinterest.com/leonel_forever_/pared-3d/ NEUHOLZ® 6m² Wandpaneele 3D Wandverkleidung Wand Paneel Verblender ... Pvc Wall Panels Designs, Wall Cladding Designs, 3d Wall Tiles,*** Ceiling Design***,

Neu Holz may amake wall panels, that could go on the ceiling, ...Neu Holz, new wood? Nouns are capitalized in German.

Very doubtful but would a hotel make a kitty walk and abode for a cat or dog? https://www.ebay.de/b/Katzendecke-in-Hundedecken/116377/bn_7...
Johannes Gleim Aug 14, 2023:
Continued Either quotation marks or italic type can emphasise that an instance of a word refers to the word itself rather than its associated concept.
Cheese is derived from milk. (concept)
"Cheese" is derived from a word in Old English. (word)
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Quotes are sometimes used for emphasis in lieu of underlining or italics, most commonly on signs or placards. This usage can be confused with ironic or altered-usage quotation,
:
"Carefree", in general, means "free from care or anxiety".
The title of the song was "Gloria", which many already knew.
She said she felt "free from care and anxiety".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotation_marks_in_English#Use...
Johannes Gleim Aug 14, 2023:
Quotation marks The single quotation mark is traced to Ancient Greek practice, adopted and adapted by monastic copyists.
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The double quotation mark derives from a marginal notation used in fifteenth-century manuscript annotations to indicate a passage of particular importance (not necessarily a quotation);

By the nineteenth century, the design and usage began to be specific to each region. … In Britain those marks were elevated to the same height as the top of capital letters: “…”.
In France, by the end of the nineteenth century, the marks were modified to an angular shape: «…».
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In Central Europe, the practice was to use the quotation mark pairs with the convexity aimed inward. The German tradition preferred the curved quotation marks, the first one at the level of the commas, the second one at the level of the apostrophes: „…“. Alternatively, these marks could be angular and in-line with lower case letters, but still pointing inward: »…«
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotation_mark
Johannes Gleim Aug 14, 2023:
Bei Brettern oder Leisten passt "profiliert" Siehe https://www.antik-ersatzteile-hanisch.com/Leisten/Holz/Profi...

Wir haben unterschiedlich profilierte Bretter für die verschiedensten Anwendungen im Programm.
https://www.stabilo-fachmarkt.de/balkonbrett-gerade-95x9x1-8...

Angespitze Staken werden, von einer Nut gehalten, zwischen Deckenbalken eingeklemmt und bilden das Tragwerk für ein oberseitig eingebrachtes Strohlehm-Paket. Diese Art der Deckenausfachung ist bei historischen Gebäuden zu finden.
https://www.kloepfer.de/klmedia/2018/artikelstamm_pdf/090_tr...

Der architektonische Raum wird gefasst durch profilierte Decken und Wände.
https://www.scandinavian-architects.com/en/kleihues-and-klei...

4 Zimmer (inkl. Küche): profilierte Decken auf 2,85 m
https://www.green-acres.fr/de/properties/haus/gueret/Afnn86h...

Auf Französich: 4 pièces (dont cuisine) : plafonds moulurés à 2,85m
https://www.green-acres.fr/fr/properties/maison/gueret/Afnn8...
Alison MacG Aug 13, 2023:
Is your text from Switzerland? The only references to Katzendecke I can find in this context are Swiss.





https://docplayer.org/24793423-Artikelliste-1-juli-hobelware...

Another document from the same company, this time with FR as well as DE.



https://www.hwr.ch/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Artikelliste-H...

There is also this from a tourist brochure re Chalet Salzhüsi in Saanen, again with DE and FR.

Stammt aus der Barockzeit und wurde im Jahre 1757 von Hans Fleuti erbaut. Die Decken im Innern wurden mit einem Hobel bearbeitet, um einen speziellen Charakter – die typische «Katzendecke» – zu erzielen. Früher diente dieses Haus als Salzladen und wurde auch so benannt.

Date de l’époque baroque, a été construite en 1757 par Hans Fleuti. Les plafonds ont été travaillés avec un rabot particulier permettant de réaliser les «griffes de chat» typiques. Cette maison servait autrefois de débit de sel et en a conservé le nom.
Brent Sørensen Aug 10, 2023:
Transcription/spelling error?
Could they have meant “Kastendecke”?
https://www.zvw.de/lokales/schorndorf/schorndorfer-kleinod-h...

or even

Kassettendecke
https://www.pinterest.de/pin/541206080223193553/
Johannes Gleim Aug 10, 2023:
@ Kelly You should specify or use the surrounding context. It is your list and the home page and / or pictures from your client.
Can you describe the wooden ceiling in terms of material, shape, relief, color and ornamentation? Is there a picture like a cat painted or repainted on new wood?
If you can't find details for your list, ask the customer to explain and describe, especially what he means by "Neuholz" and "Katze", or what it has to do with "cats".
Tomasso Aug 10, 2023:
Dubai supplier? Neu Holz LLC is a supplier of a wide range of interior and exterior wood panel
products established and located in the Emirate of Dubai, the United Arab Emirates
catering to the innovative needs of Wood Workers, Consultants, and Interior
Designers. Our raw materials are imported from Thailand and Germany in order to
provide high-quality products to our clients. https://neuholz.com/about-us/

Proposed translations

1 day 2 hrs

"Neuholz" coffer (coffered ceiling, cassette ceiling, panelled ceiling)

The Term "Neuholz" may be refer to "Neu Holz LLC" in Dubai or not. Anyway, the only produce MDF 'Coated with melamine veneer', HPL (High Pressure Laminate) and High Gloss MDF for flooring, not for ceilings acc. their homepage.
https://neuholz.com/

'Neuholz' is also a name for 5 locations in Swizzerland, and that what the word means in order to distinguish it from 'Altholz'.
https://www.frautschiholzbau.ch/chaletbau/neuholz.html

'Katzendecke' may be an OCR error or a typing error. On QWERTY keyboards you will find "Z" on the lower key bank just below the "S". On QWERTZ you will find the "Z" right of the "T". And other keyboards have different key orders, too. So, I will start from this assumption and look for appropriate terms:

Kassettendecke f (Arch) cassette ceiling, caisson ceiling, coffered ceiling, pan ceiling, panelled ceiling, rectangular grid ceiling, waffle ceiling
Kassettenfeld (einer Decke) n coffer
(Routledge Dictionary of Architecture, Building and Civil Engineering)
Note: No "Kastendecke" found in this dictionary (125,000 entries)

"cofferred ceiling" About 2.500.000 results (0,40 seconds)
"cassette ceiling" About 94.000 results (0,20 seconds)
"panelled ceiling" About 52.900 results (0,27 seconds)
"pan ceiling" About 35.500 results (0,32 seconds)
"waffle ceiling" About 23.800 results (0,37 seconds)
"caisson ceiling" About 10.900 results (0,31 seconds)

The caisson is a general name for a coffer.
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Eine Kassettendecke (auch Felderdecke) weist an ihrer Unterseite in regelmäßiger Anordnung kastenförmige Vertiefungen (Kassetten) auf. Eine solche Decke wird durch sich kreuzende Rippen oder Balken gebildet. …
Kassettendecken entstanden ursprünglich dadurch, dass die eher dünne und flächige Füllung der Felder auf der Oberseite der dicken, hohen Balken aufgebracht wurde. Eine hängende Befestigung war schwieriger, außerdem brachten die Vertiefungen technische Vorteile (Akustik) und eine optische Gliederung der Decke.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kassettendecke

A coffer (or coffering) in architecture is a series of sunken panels in the shape of a square, rectangle, or octagon in a ceiling, soffit or vault.[1] A series of these sunken panels was often used as decoration for a ceiling or a vault, also called caissons ("boxes"), or lacunaria ("spaces, openings"),[2] so that a coffered ceiling can be called a lacunar ceiling: the strength of the structure is in the framework of the coffers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffer

The coffered ceiling is a common motif in architecture that dates back to ancient Greek and Roman times. These ceilings were used for large public buildings, where they needed to create indentations to distribute structural weight, lighten the load of high ceilings and bring symmetry to a high ceiling.
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Waffle ceilings are a type of coffered ceiling. These two ceiling designs are often used interchangeably but are very different in their design, function, and installation process. Waffle ceilings have beams that cross rectangular panels to form a waffle pattern, hence the name.
https://vipclassicmoulding.com/coffered-ceiling-vs-waffle-ce...

Reformed church - built in the 18th century with cassette ceiling decorated with folklore motives
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szenna#References

Conclusion: I would maintain the term 'Neuholz' as this either a name referring to new wood or any town. The term 'Katzendecke’ is most probably an misprint for "Kassettendecke" i.e. 'coffer', but I will not exclude other meanings as a pictured cat.
Peer comment(s):

disagree Lancashireman : Quote marks around a brand name are totally superfluous in EN (unless there is some suspicion that the product may be fake). // For an example of "no valid comment", see the light-hearted contribution from Tomasso below.
9 hrs
This is no valid comment.
agree Tomasso : Must be right....100 years ago there was a cartoon KatzenJammer.Kids, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Katzenjammer_Kids
3 days 14 hrs
neutral Schtroumpf : Kassettendecke was suggested by Brent much earlier. Thanks for developing his input, but no need to apply for points in such a case.
4 days
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