| صفحات الموضوع: < [1 2] | Subtitles which leave out subtle but significant elements of dialogue could be missing out on important character traits, according to a University of Huddersfield linguistics expert
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Faustine Roux wrote: Texte Style wrote:
Especially as the sub-titles and dubbed dialogue had clearly not been translated by the same person!
Because dubbing and subtitling are two different techniques and have different parameters. That's totally normal, and even a good sign, if the subtitles differ from the dubbed version. But I don't think a "yes" in one version should become a "no" in the other... [Modifié le 2012-06-01 13:37 GMT]
I can quite understand that it wouldn't be the same person, and I don't know that there was really anything seriously wrong with either translation. The problem was really more technical than linguistic in that normally you would either have one or the other but not both.
I agree that it's better to frame the question to get an affirmative answer if that's what the source has, simply because the body language will mostly fit better. The slightest of nods or shakes could produce a jarring sensation if the spoken or written text doesn't match it. In this instance it wasn't actually any big deal, the question was not "Did you kill her?", it just distracted my attention somewhat. I mentioned it afterwards but nobody else had been in the least bothered, but then, they weren't translators
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Thanks for the link, Joel!
Christine Andersen wrote:
I would hate to see subtitling get a bad name, because I am sure dubbing is not always a better alternative - just suitable in different situations.
Agreed. I actually prefer subtitles when watching media in a language I don't speak, even knowing I'll probably get less information than a dub.
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| Related work on translated subtitles | Jun 2, 2012 |
http://linguistlist.org/issues/23/23-1970.html
"The aim of this book is to study how politeness, and particularly face negotiation, is dealt with when subtitling between Chinese and English....The audience responses show that viewers who rely on subtitles gain a significantly different impression of the interlocutors' personality, attitude and intentions than those of native au... See more http://linguistlist.org/issues/23/23-1970.html
"The aim of this book is to study how politeness, and particularly face negotiation, is dealt with when subtitling between Chinese and English....The audience responses show that viewers who rely on subtitles gain a significantly different impression of the interlocutors' personality, attitude and intentions than those of native audiences."
Now here's a study that sounds like it's getting somewhere. Haven't read it, but at least it's making an attempt to be empirical. ▲ Collapse
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| Dubbing / subtitling | Jun 3, 2012 |
Faustine Roux wrote: Texte Style wrote:
Especially as the sub-titles and dubbed dialogue had clearly not been translated by the same person! Because dubbing and subtitling are two different techniques and have different parameters. That's totally normal, and even a good sign, if the subtitles differ from the dubbed version. But I don't think a "yes" in one version should become a "no" in the other...
It's likely that the translators were different. I know very few colleagues who, like me, translate for both, either dubbing or subtitling. Yet I spent 18 years translating for dubbing only, before going into subtitling. No, one is not "more difficult" than the other, just basically the same setting and instruments with quite different techniques.
In dubbing, the original audio won't be there any longer, so sometimes we have to reinvent jokes or double entendres.
In other cases we have to dismantle the entire phrase and build something new that will convey the same message, because some expressions completely botch up metrics. My pet example is from all sales training videos: the short EN "customer needs" (3 syllables) becomes univocally the much longer PT "necessidades do cliente" (9 syllables, even longer in PT-BR that PT-PT, because in Brazil we DO pronounce all the vowels).
In subtitling, the original audio will be there, and conciseness is most essential, otherwise the spectator will be reading so much, that they'll watch no action at all.
I recently had to translate and subtitle a video I had translated for dubbing years ago. Though the dubbing was superb, great sync, I tried watching the dubbed video with the new subtitles I had created, it was as messy as it could get, since I had to radically change the phrasal structure in dubbing for the sake of metrics.
One rather famous dubber taught me: If the original actor stutters, stumbles in their speech, makes mistakes, and all that's not part of their role, it's OK. However if a dubber does it, even mimics it to perfection, that's perceived as sloppy work.
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| Money for old rope | Jun 9, 2012 |
This study is rather pointless, and, to be honest, redundant. It's just common sense, but when has that ever stopped academics wasting money?
The company I used to work for conducted a consultation with the RNID and a viewer panel on this very topic and what it meant for users of broadcast subtitles about 15 years ago.
The consensus was that the panel felt the reading speed (550cpm) was too slow and that too much was edited out of the subtitles. They recommended an incr... See more This study is rather pointless, and, to be honest, redundant. It's just common sense, but when has that ever stopped academics wasting money?
The company I used to work for conducted a consultation with the RNID and a viewer panel on this very topic and what it meant for users of broadcast subtitles about 15 years ago.
The consensus was that the panel felt the reading speed (550cpm) was too slow and that too much was edited out of the subtitles. They recommended an increase in reading speed and less editing of the dialogue. The company took all of their recommendations on board and changed the house style accordingly. Many of the other subtitling houses in the country followed suit, and nowadays, subtitles are pretty much verbatim on most programmes.
Part of the problem is that the programmes he's looking at aren't particularly current, but if he did examine material that was done recently, it would be blatantly obvious that his research was a waste of time. ▲ Collapse
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