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| Baran Keki تركيا Local time: 13:03 عضو أنجليزي إلى تركي
Gerard Barry wrote:
practicing Christians
Are you a practicing Christian, Barry? Or did you lose your faith long ago because of Father O'Wanker's wandering hands when you were an altar boy?
Could a childhood trauma like this account for your leaving your native Ireland, joining the ranks of racists in Germany and spewing out right-wing propaganda on a translators' forum of all places?
Lord, indeed, works in mysterious ways... | | | |
A blog entry from 2015: https://vividmaps.com/islam-in-europe/
The Islamic conquests of the 7th and 8th centuries brought Muslim armies into parts of the Iberian Peninsula (modern-day Spain and Portugal), North Africa, and the Mediterranean islands. In 711 CE, the Umayyad Caliphate from the Arabian Peninsula invaded the Iberian Peninsula, and within a few years, they established the Umayyad Emirate of Cordoba, which later evolved into the Caliphate of Cordoba (929-1031 CE).
Another blog entry from a couple of months ago: https://www.travelmag.co.uk/2025/07/where-europe-meets-islam-9-cities-with-deep-rooted-islamic-heritage/
From the tiled courtyards of Granada to the rebuilt mosques of Sarajevo, Islamic civilisation has left a quiet yet enduring imprint across the European continent.
Berlin, Germany: Where memory meets migration
Berlin might not be the first place that comes to mind for Islamic heritage, yet the German capital is home to deep-rooted Muslim communities and historical landmarks. The Islamic Cemetery in Berlin-Gatow dates back to the 18th century, and the city’s museums include Islamic artefacts from across the world.
Having internet at our fingertips, sometimes it's better to do a little reading *long before* posting any stupid xenophobic, paternalistic comment. | | | |
Maria Laura Curzi wrote:
The Shredder wrote:
Maria Laura Curzi wrote:
I just want to express that it's truly amazing how this topic (un)developed because of a troll ….
It only took one single troll to infest this topic.
Well it took the rest of us to feed the troll too…
But isn’t this all very much on-topic? The thread was about a sense of foreboding, of “something wicked this way comes”.
The ultra-rich reversing the achievements of socialism and conning the gullible into supporting this…
Well, there's a rarefied feeling in the air. On one hand, it isn't clear to me if the cause is politics/politicians, tech/AI hype, the excessive misinformation/disinformation surrounding us, or all of that altogether. On the other hand, I don't really know how to explain it. I seem to be unable to find the right words. All I know is that the mainstream narrative (whether it is political, technological, economical, or social) feels ugly, unempathetic, dehumanized, and dehumanizing. Like I said in another comment:
as if the world is sort of distancing itself from everything related to emotions, leading towards logical thinking. It's as if the heart is losing the battle against the mind. It's as if the dominant ideology sees emotions as a weakness because they are confusing and unproductive.
And it also seems this ugliness is a sort of desired playground for trolls. They seem happy to keep the trash talk going forever, like the endless, useless ChatGPT replies leading nowhere.
They are masters of distorting anything written/spoken to turn it into the trash talk they love too much, just like it happened with this topic. It started as an opportunity to reflect about the current world's feelings and its wording/narrative, but it ended in a group of roast comments deserving a trash bin.
I'm quoting myself, and it's the third comment I've used the noun 'Narrative' as a title because that's the disgusting ugliness the trolls are typing here.
https://www.ohchr.org/en/migration/reframing-narratives-migration
Harmful and dehumanising narratives on migration have increasingly permeated political movements, media and other forms of public discourse in many countries. Such narratives have used migrants as scapegoats for deep-rooted societal problems and fears, often for political or financial gain.
In this topic, the trolls have been typing about migrants as if they were commodities, assets they want to "relocate" far away from them. I have even read the word "threat"; actually, the whole sentence where that word was spewed was disgusting.
It's incredible that people with studies in *foreign languages* working as translators between cultures have such an ugly way to talk about foreign people. It's truly repulsive.
Not a surprise AI is gaining momentum at such speed, as it seems AI is more capable of using a narrative less offensive toward other persons than the human trolls working as translators we have read here. | | | |
Maria Laura Curzi wrote:
It's incredible that people with studies in *foreign languages* working as translators between cultures have such an ugly way to talk about foreign people. It's truly repulsive.
This, absolutely agree. It‘s quite appalling. | | |
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Sarah Elizab (X) إيطاليا Local time: 12:03 إيطالي إلى أنجليزي | bridges (be damned, I guess) | Sep 13, 2025 |
Paulo Roberto wrote:
I think most of our disagreements aren’t about what we say, but how we say it.
Every so often, when we try to make a point, we may come across as aggressive and confrontational, as if saying: “You think the issue is this, you (some name-calling), but the real problem is that.”
I agree with most of the posts shared here, such as:
- Trump is doing a horrible job, and we should care because this impacts people around the world;
- Massive uncontrollable immigration is bad;
- These people are migrants because of Western (elites) aggression and economic exploitation;
- Wealthy people are fomenting hostilities between different groups as a distraction, for example, migrants versus natives.
All these are real problems, and Sarah Elisabeth is Pontifex Maxima.
[Edited at 2025-09-11 13:54 GMT]
I am sure my professor of ancient Roman art and architecture is smiling down from above, reading that.
Not least since you're the original poster, I'm glad (and, given the current tenor of the thread, even relieved!) that you recognized what I was hoping for.
Sarah | | | | Tom in London المملكة المتحدة Local time: 11:03 إيطالي إلى أنجليزي
Baran Keki wrote:
Gerard Barry wrote:
practicing Christians
Are you a practicing Christian, Barry? Or did you lose your faith long ago because of Father O'Wanker's wandering hands when you were an altar boy?
Could a childhood trauma like this account for your leaving your native Ireland, joining the ranks of racists in Germany and spewing out right-wing propaganda on a translators' forum of all places?
Lord, indeed, works in mysterious ways...
To misquote the great Flann O'Brien in the style of his masterpiece "At Swim-Two-Birds":
"I know the practising you do, up there in your bedroom. Tell me this: do you ever open a book at all?" | | | |
Gerard Barry wrote:
Needless to say, some wealthy non-Western countries such as Japan also have very limited immigration.
Japan is no longer a wealthy country and does not have very limited immigration. Those were in the past. Now Japan is lagging behind other Southeast Asian countries. Up to 20~30 years ago, we had all the people from countries in the Southeast Asian region come to Japan to earn money. Now it's the opposite. Japanese youngsters are going to not only Southeast Asian countries but also to Australia and New Zealand to earn money. They would use working holidays or some will enroll into Sushi and Japanese cuisine schools to be trained as a sushi chef. It would normally take about 10~15 years to be a professional sushi chef doing understudy at a sushi restaurant, whereas enrolling into one of those schools, you will be trained to be a chef in less than a year and can work as a sushi chef abroad. All the immigrants come to Japan because Japan is suffering from population decline and aging society where the Japanese government is welcoming more immigrants. | | | | Tom in London المملكة المتحدة Local time: 11:03 إيطالي إلى أنجليزي
Yasutomo Kanazawa wrote:
... the Japanese government is welcoming more immigrants.
That's the spirit ! | | |
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Baran Keki تركيا Local time: 13:03 عضو أنجليزي إلى تركي
Jean Dimitriadis wrote:
Maria Laura Curzi wrote:
It's incredible that people with studies in *foreign languages* working as translators between cultures have such an ugly way to talk about foreign people. It's truly repulsive.
This, absolutely agree. It‘s quite appalling.
Kind of reminds me of the interpreters/translators in the 19th century US Cavalry that I saw in films, who would deliberately misinterpret the exchanges with Indians to push for war. | | | |
Tom in London wrote:
Gerard Barry wrote:
....I dare say there are currently more practicing Muslims than practicing Christians in some Western European countries nowadays. While I have nothing against Muslims as individuals, surely you can understand why some native Europeans may feel threatened by this and might not be very happy about their own culture being diluted?
Anyone who can say that with a straight face doesn't know anything about European culture. or any culture.
[Edited at 2025-09-12 17:10 GMT]
That relates to Spain, which had a long Islamic influence, as did the Balkan countries. Funnily enough, they were quite glad to get rid of that influence and drive the Moors and the Turks out. Islam's presence in most European countries is a relatively recent phenomenon. Maybe you're the one whose knowledge of European culture and history is a bit lacking, Tom. | | | | | Post removed: This post was hidden by a moderator or staff member for the following reason: empty post |
Gerard Barry wrote:
I dare say there are currently more practicing Muslims than practicing Christians in some Western European countries nowadays.
Which ones? Time to back up your arguments with facts.
While I have nothing against Muslims as individuals
Lol. Let me guess, one of your best friends is a Muslim?
surely you can understand why some native Europeans may feel threatened by this and might not be very happy about their own culture being diluted?
Yes. It’s mainly because they are being stirred up by politicians and lies.
I'm afraid you are naive and not really living in the real world.
How come you know better? | | |
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Tom in London المملكة المتحدة Local time: 11:03 إيطالي إلى أنجليزي
Gerard Barry wrote:
..... Maybe you're the one whose knowledge of European culture and history is a bit lacking, Tom.
What you don't understand, Gerard, is that culture is about contamination and cross-fertilisation- You seem to think that "a culture" is a pure, hermetically sealed autocthonous thing and that any contact with the outside will cause it harm. You remind me of the Ulster Orangemen who march around the place beating people up, burning non-white people out of their houses, and talking about "defending their culture" | | | | Baran Keki تركيا Local time: 13:03 عضو أنجليزي إلى تركي
Gerard Barry wrote:
That relates to Spain, which had a long Islamic influence, as did the Balkan countries. Funnily enough, they were quite glad to get rid of that influence and drive the Moors and the Turks out. Islam's presence in most European countries is a relatively recent phenomenon. Maybe you're the one whose knowledge of European culture and history is a bit lacking, Tom.
It seems you're a student of history! So am I, Barry, so am I!
I've recently come into a very interesting piece of knowledge about Irish history.
It transpires that during the ill-fated Spanish Armada (1588), thousands of dark skinned Spanish sailors (most likely carrying N. African Moor, Muslim blood) got shipwrecked and washed up on the shores of Ireland.
Stranded, unable to return home, those poor chaps were eventually resigned to their fate, married local women and put down roots... Today, their descendants are called 'Black Irish' on account of their darker skin tone, eyes, facial features etc. as compared to those of the white folk, whose ancestors were raped and enslaved by the Vikings in the earlier centuries.
Given how you get excited in the issues involving migrants, black people, Muslims, I strongly suspect that you might have some traces of Moor Muslim blood in you. Since you don't have a profile picture, we don't know what you look like. You could be as dark as a German basketballer for all we know.
If I were you, I'd get a DNA test done to put an end to such speculations. Because, if your Nazi pals get wind of this knowledge, they'll most likely cast you out and leave you at the mercy of the migrants and Muslims. | | | | Paulo Roberto Local time: 07:03 أنجليزي إلى برتغالي + ... بادئ الموضوع
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