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養寵物 Apr 19, 2007

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前几天在电视里看到有位抑郁症(每天都要考虑to be or not to be)患者收养流浪狗治好了病。


養寵物確實有療養憂鬱症的效果。前年有一位朋友患了憂鬱症,另一位朋友把自己不要的狗交給他養,結果患憂鬱症的朋友竟然變得生活積極了。有了一個需要人為牠負起責任的寵物,人的生活就會充實起來。


 
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中国的新闻单位 Apr 19, 2007

看到yueyin 和 jyuan 提到的这几天中国的两起事故,看看国内的报道,再想想美国和中国对VT shooting的报道,很是难受。中国新闻应该多关注一下自己国内的tragedy,关注一下那些可怜的受害人的家庭,深挖一下到底这样的悲剧是怎么会一再产生,暴露一下责任人/失职人的嘴脸。

知道他们都想要吸引大众关注,可是如果他们能真的下到事故地点,近距离将问题和后果展示给大家,再找找原因,应该可以唤起更多的讨论和社会关注,或许还会促成一些措施的出台。新闻也有了,还可以有益于社会,为什么不能做呢?痛心。

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irresponsible Apr 19, 2007

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我来分析 一下春秋笔法

看看这篇真是气人,自己瞎报不思反省还推卸责任。看看他们怎么说:



Shaunna,

我看这是外交上打官腔啦. 明明是自己的责任, 却往别人身上推.

I always thought the Chinese government was above this kind of behavior, at least in their foreign affairs.


 
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What do you think about the media airing of Cho's final videos? Apr 19, 2007

"The reaction for others was anger, not only at Cho for meticulously premeditating his rampage, but also at the media for airing his last recorded words and images."

"Experts said the delusions evident in the messages were typical of mass murderers, and they advised people to be on the lookout for warning signs from others who could be emboldened by media coverage of Cho's messages.they advised people to be on the lookout for warning signs from others who could be emboldened by media coverage of Cho's messages."

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/19/vtech.shooting/index.html

This reminds me of Simpson's intended book. I have to acknowledge I am curious about what he could have written in it, but I do hope it will never be published.
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Murderers Apr 19, 2007

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This reminds me of Simpson's intended book.



Last I heard the book is still going to be written and published. What do you think he's gonna say? I committed the crime, beat the system, and got away with murder, literally.

I have to agree with Wenjer that the system failed in this instance as more and more details come out. The guy was a total psycho and should have been committed a long time ago.


 
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What he's going to say Apr 19, 2007

Ya. Must be even if he doesn't say it explicitly.
I guess it is foolish even to wonder whether he could express a single thread of remorse.

wherestip wrote:

Last I heard the book is still going to be written and published. What do you think he's gonna say? I committed the crime, beat the system, and got away with murder, literally.



 
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Another big tragedy! Apr 19, 2007



As a veteran chemical engineer, I witnessed many fatal accidents and tragedies that took place in chemical plants during my career. I could imagine how devastated the victims’ families felt. My heart goes out with the deepest sympathy to the victims and their families!

How could the designers put that meeting room in such a dangerous place? I noticed that the steel ladles run across just above the meeting room. The designers and decision makers must be wrong in their upper storey! It suddenly reminds me of some words from an old Soviet movie: “用脑袋想,别用骨头想!”


 
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外交部发言人多此一举 Apr 19, 2007

Shaunna:

你的水平高于中国外交部发言人。:)

其实,报导凶手是中国人,本来是中国民间网络媒体犯的错,与中国政府无关(除非是官方媒体也如此作了报导),但外交部发言人这么一说就等于承认官方也被误导了。那些媒体雇的翻译也许水平不高,但难道你外交部和中国驻美大使馆的翻译、外交官们水平也那么差吗?

国内有媒体说,VT案发后李肇星曾致电美国政府,可见连政府也认为凶手是中国人了(逻辑错误)。其实,即使凶手不是中国人,中国政府致电一下表示同情和慰问那也是合乎情理的,并没有浪费李肇星的感情(除非李肇星曾像韩国总统卢武铉那样表示过道歉)。


 
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媒体在继承凶手的遗志,按他的既定方针办! Apr 19, 2007

Shaunna wrote:

What do you think about the media airing of Cho's final videos?


媒体在继承凶手的遗志,按他的既定方针办!媒体在帮他成为某些"would-be assailants”的偶像。这也是为什么此类凶杀案层出不穷的重要原因之一。

明天就是Columbine High School massacre八周年。八年前,媒体也是这样做的。

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Well-known practise Apr 19, 2007

Yueyin Sun wrote:

那些媒体雇的翻译也许水平不高,但难道你外交部和中国驻美大使馆的翻译、外交官们水平也那么差吗?



Yueyin,

I agree. It is obvious to all of us living here in the U. S. how these stories are handled by the media. There is no way this misinformation was provided as facts by the U. S. side.

The only thing that counts in cases like this is the official announcement. And even then, all facts are qualified with "allegedly" until proven beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law (apparently not in this case since the "suspect" ended his own life).

IMO the foreign ministry officials lacked competence if they didn't even know this.



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媒体的社会作用 Apr 19, 2007

Yueyin Sun wrote:
Shaunna wrote:

What do you think about the media airing of Cho's final videos?


媒体在继承凶手的遗志,按他的既定方针办!


这类对案情调查和民众观感会有重大影响的东西,媒体的处理确实必须谨慎。不过,媒体的性质原本嗜血,所以需要受到规范。

据称 NBC 收到影带后,先向 FBI 请示,获得首肯才播出。那么,FBI 的处理未免也太粗糙了。既然如此,对一般民众而言,往好的方面看,将来会更提高警觉,生活周遭有类似的人物,能及时提供线索,侦察防止类似事件发生,那也不错。

最近在台湾发生一件比这更离谱的媒体事件。据某家电视台称,他们收到一位黑道人物向黑道大哥威胁枪杀的录像带,抢先将全部内容播报。那些画面还真的像这位赵姓的韩裔青年。还有立法委员乘机藉此质问政府无能治安。但是,办案的刑警眼尖,一眼看出那影带的制作太专业,立刻展开调查,发现那影带是该电台的摄影记者为那位黑道人物拍摄的。该电台决策高层把罪过全推给基层记者,辩称他们不知情,开除基层记者外,还让拍摄的母带消失,让侦查缺乏证据。

新闻专业问题,在台湾和欧美是不可同日而语,某些电台处理新闻的手法和“新闻制造业”差不多,没的事情也会变成像是真的一样,如同还没证实 VT 事件的凶嫌是哪位亚裔人士就抢先报导是华裔那样,或者是有的事情也能做到大事化小、小事化无的地步。由此可见媒体宣传工具可以造成多大的社会伤害。社会大众不予监督怎成?

曾在 2003 年为德意志历史博物馆翻译过一则展览公告,觉得值得参考,附贴于下:


说谎的图像
主办单位: 波昂德意志联邦共和历史之家
协办单位: 德意志联邦政治通识教育中心
展览期间: 二○○三年十月二日至二○○四年二月一日
展览地点: 贝聿铭展览馆

本巡回展览“说谎的图像”是由波昂德意志联邦共和历史之家所推出,其展览主题为图像客观性的探讨,展示图像如何受到操弄、如何被利用来操弄民意。

在这个展览中,参观的民众能学习而得知如何洞察“谎言的究竟”。展览中约有三百件物品,让民众得知媒体如何利用图像操弄民意。其中最为人所熟知的手法,即是照片底稿的修饰。这是集权体制的政权至今仍然沿用的手法。

“禁绝:禁绝记忆”-在这个展览区内,展出集权体制政权如何消灭人民对已往公众人物的记忆。本展览取用此一概念,并加以衍申,向民众展示集权体制政权如何将失宠而受难的公众人物,从既有的照片底稿之中涂消,让人民淡忘。使用剪刀和涂饰照片的手法,在现今已属落伍,因为时下的数字图像处理技术,几乎已经达到能以假乱真的地步。

“未来:未来手法”-在这个展览区内,展出晚近研发的虚拟实境技术如何将回异的图像底稿组合起来,形成人造图像的世界。

图像有时也会透过解说的文字信息说谎。在“波恩:麦克波恩”这个展览区内,展出麦克波恩这位新闻记者如何利用新闻媒体的疏忽,安排造假的场景,制作极其不可思议的三K党以及库德族恐怖份子的专题报导,让许多电视媒体信以为真而予以播放。在他的报导中,并非图像本身而是伴随的解说,让图像说出谎言。

另一个图像谎言的手法,即是将一张张刻意安排的照片组合起来。在“英明:英明领袖”这个展览区内,展示的是如何安排造假的场景,让一位政治领袖的“英明亲民”超乎寻常。

每个展览区都有历史背景交代。主要着重于谎言技术应用、拆穿谎言,以及相信谎言历史过程的解说,也同时解说那些造假的各种不同动机,无论是为了个人声望、商业利益、政治目的等,在这个展览中均一一解说。

本展览的目的在于让民众对图像能有批判性的观察和体悟。


[Edited at 2007-04-20 03:01]


 
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